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I was overtaken by an electric monster a few days ago.  It was huge and I still think about it. It was so close and so impatient I could 'feel' its aggressive intent.  It makes me so frustrated that drivers of these monsters don't understand how scary it is to be tailgated and then close passed. 

My wife got a ticket a good few years back for exactly that.

dubwise wrote:

My wife got a ticket a good few years back for exactly that.

Just how big is your wife?

Does she get a centimetre wider every two years?

Does it count as "off road" if they're on the footway?

Is that a photo you've taken or is it from the meeja?

twitter - but not everyone on here wants to login to X !

And abroad.

Repeat after me:

MINI is owned by BMW !

But, were they fined I wonder?

Nah, don't be so stupid I said to myself.

I'll see your Giant folding bike and raise you a Bianchi

Except it's really an R&M Birdy

wtjs wrote:

I'll see your Giant folding bike and raise you a Bianchi

Except it's really an R&M Birdy

Shhhh.

Secret_squirrel wrote:

I'll see your Giant folding bike and raise you a Bianchi.

What the hell happened with the front forks!

Nothing happened to the forks.  The best folding bike I've ridden and suitable for touring.

Dear Council,

I want the road to go back to 30 because I wanna go fast!

Thanks, a driver with no concern for public safety. 

Clearly there's the usual lack of spines or just people looking to their future careers here.  (You could say of Mark Drakeford knew he wasn't going to have to continue to fight for his position of course).

Sounds like the usual politics of "we're listening - honest!" when some of the public start yelling:

BBC wrote:

Welsh Labour leadership candidate Vaughan Gething has previously said he wants the public to have a say in the review, via their local councils.

Both candidates have said they would stick with the policy and review its implementation.

Hopefully it's a distraction tactic and not a reverse - for a measure which apparently did have approval politically:

Quote:

A Welsh government spokesperson previously said: "This review, as we set out in October, is looking at how the new default 20mph speed limit has been implemented across Wales. It is not a review into the policy itself which has been overwhelmingly supported by Senedd members from three parties."

Of course the other parties are now using this as a stick.  This is also a universal tactic when it comes to positive active travel policies (although maybe not the Greens?).  Although you can normally guess which party has the least positive things to say:

Natasha Asghar, of the Welsh Conservatives wrote:

The Welsh people don't want a review of 20mph, they want it reversed.

There are cases where the new limit has been badly implemented, and where driver confusion is caused by poor signage or other similar cases of poor infrastructure, those measures must be rectified in order to make it easier to both a) understand and follow and b) enforce.

There are also cases rurally where you have multiple major speed limit changes on stretches of roads which probably should have been reviewed on a case-by-case basis before implementation.

You should see the dog's arse made of the random implementation in england, many people drive at 20mph (or 40mph) around Caer totally unaware of when the limits change, or why.

The problem we have now is that none of the previous 20mph zones which had been created over the last decade legally exist anymore.

All signs are being taken down and they are legally returning to default.

If the 20mph policy is overturned then all those streets which were 20mph before the default 20mph limit will automatically revert to 30mph.

Each 20mph zone will then have to individually reinstated. Will there be the time or money for that?

In my area almost all the residential roads and roads past schools etc were already 20mph before the law change. We risk losing all that because of Drakeford's bungling.

Is it true that the previous 20mph zones legally no longer exist? I would have thought the Traffic Orders implemented to create them are still valid - but the signage is being removed as (with the new default) the signs are redundant and potentially confusing. But if the default was changed, the Traffic Orders would still be in effect, and it will only require a restoration of the signage (not trivial, but does not require any new legislation or Traffic Orders). 

Alternatively, ff the Traffic Orders were revoked en masse as part the legislation to amend the default, then would it not be equally possible to restore them en masse as part of whatever legislation changes the default back?

(Hopefully this is all academic and they won't overturn the whole policy)

I'm not an expert on local authority legal stuff by any means but in the run up to the 20mph change that's what I was told by a local councillor.

He might well have been wrong but I assumed he knew more about it than me!

From what I understand if a traffic order is in place then a road is not a 'restricted road' and therefore the 20mph default limit wouldn't apply and signage would be required. As all the signage has been removed I assume the traffic orders have been rescinded.

Rich_cb wrote:

...n my area almost all the residential roads and roads past schools etc were already 20mph before the law change. We risk losing all that because of Drakeford's bungling.

if the authorities roll over because the impatient drivers throw their toys out of their overpowered prams

The policy of 20mph on residential streets etc was widely supported both by the public and all the major Welsh political parties.

Changing the default limit has now made 20mph limits a wedge issue and we risk going backwards.

Far better to have continued to expand the old policy IMO.