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Giant Propel Advanced Pro 1 2023

9
£5,499.00

VERDICT:

9
10
Excellent aero road bike that provides efficiency, comfort, and good value in the current market
Efficient
Comfortable
Good value
Not the lightest bike for the money
Weight: 
8,470g
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The Giant Propel Advanced Pro 1 is an excellent aero road bike that provides loads of stiffness and efficiency and, what's more surprising, a good level of comfort and straightforward front-end adjustment. It might take a while to get your head around spending £5,500 on a bike with a third-tier SRAM Rival eTap AXS groupset but it's good value against models from other big brands.

If you're interested in the Propel Advanced Pro 1, check out our guide to the best road bikes for more options, from £300 to £13,000.

Ride

The Giant Propel Advanced Pro 1 is all about efficiency and that's apparent from the get-go. This is a bike you can muscle about without worrying that it's going to flex from your best efforts. There's little discernible movement at the bottom bracket when you're cranking out full power and the front end feels equally tight, even when you're sprinting out of the saddle or pushing it hard into a fast right-angled bend.

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The new Propel, which was revealed to the world last summer, uses truncated ellipse frame tubes that are considerably shallower than before, but Giant reckons that the bike as a whole is faster. It says that the top-level Propel Advanced SL allows you to achieve 40km/h while putting out 6.21 watts less power than on the previous model. This equates to 'a 2.6% aerodynamic improvement'. This claim relates to the bike as a whole, new handlebar, stem, wheels and tyres included.

2023 Giant Propel Advanced Pro 1 - head tube shape.jpg

The Propel Advanced Pro 1 that we have here has a frame that's the same shape although you get a standard rather than an integrated seatpost. We can't independently verify Giant's aero claims, we're just reporting them.

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Back in ye olde days, aero road bikes were a bit like time trial bikes in that they were great for straight-line speed and long, sweeping bends but a bit of a dog elsewhere. Okay, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but on the whole, handling wasn't great and comfort was... well, it was a compromise.

That's totally not the case here. For a start, the Propel's handling is nimble. Steering is quick, so navigating through a group of other riders or around defects in the road surface is a cinch. This coaxes you to attack fast and tight turns at speed, confident that the bike's reactions will see you right even if your judgement is a bit off.

I didn't find it too much to handle in crosswinds either, although I don't tend to get shifted about as much as smaller riders anyway. On one stupidly windy day I felt like I had to keep my wits about me to avoid getting buffeted around, but even with 50mm-deep wheels – Giant SLR 1 50 Carbon Discs – it wasn't an issue the rest of the time.

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As for comfort, the Propel offers plenty. Head out on a big ride at the weekend and it doesn't just feel okay for an aero bike, it feels, you know, good. There's not too much vibration coming up through either Giant's Fleet SL saddle or the Contact SL Aero handlebar.

Let's not go over the top; it's not endurance bike smooth, but it's certainly no filling rattler, and tubeless tyres – badged 25mm but measuring over 28mm on the SLR 1 50 Carbon Disc wheels – allow you to tune the feel. If you want to run them at really low pressures, fill yer boots.

Maybe the slim stays and seat tube play a part, maybe the fact that I have loads of seatpost extending out of the frame helps, but I never felt even remotely shaken up by this bike over two months of riding.

2023 Giant Propel Advanced Pro 1 - seat stays.jpg

The Propel Advanced Pro 1 is an able climber too. Our size ML hit the road.cc scales at 8.47kg meaning it's far from the lightest £5,500 bike you can buy, but lighter doesn't always mean better. Granted, you probably won't be buying the Propel for its climbing prowess alone but it gets on with the job just fine. No complaints at all.

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The Propel Advanced SL0 that came visiting road.cc last year (we couldn't ride it) showed 6.96kg (ML size, Shimano Dura-Ace Di2 build) on our scales, so if you really want a lighter weight that option is out there. The Advanced SL has a frame made from a higher-grade composite than the Advanced Pro and benefits from expensive manufacturing techniques – such as the laser cutting of swatches of composite that then go through an automated assembly process to place them precisely in key areas of the frame and fork to keep weight down. It's available in various high-end builds. So many positives!

Small point, though: the Propel Advanced SL 0 costs £11,999. You could buy two Propel Advanced Pro 1s for that and still have change for sweets or something. A helluva lot of sweets.

Geometry

We had the ML-sized Giant Propel Advanced Pro 1 in for review (according to Giant's guide, I should take a size L, but I wanted a top tube as close to 570mm as possible). This one comes with a not-far-off horizontal 565mm top tube, a 545mm seat tube and a 165mm head tube. The head angle and seat angle on this size are both 73 degrees.

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You get a stack height of 562mm and a reach of 393mm, giving a stack/reach of 1.43. The riding position is aggressive, as you'd expect on an aero bike, but not crazily so. I played it safe with 20mm of spacers underneath the stem – it's always better to err on the side of caution rather than cutting a steerer too short and regretting it – but you could lower the front end easily enough.

The spacers come in two interlocking parts so it's easy to remove them – or add them back in – without the need to re-plumb the brake hoses. The lower (or lowest) 10mm spacer, which junctions as a hose guide, doesn't split and Giant recommends that you keep it.

2023 Giant Propel Advanced Pro 1 - stem.jpg

The Propel's geometry is almost the same as that of Giant's TCR road bike that focuses on light weight and stiffness. Granted, the TCR has a shorter seat tube but that's because the top tube slopes downwards and foreshortens it. The stack, reach and frame angles are exactly the same, as are chainstay length (405mm) and wheelbase (991mm). If you happen to have ridden a TCR and the fit is right, you know what you're getting here.

Adjustable front end

The front end of the Propel is interesting – no, really – so I'll tell you a little about it. Older readers might remember – we're talking pre-August 2022 here – that the previous generation Propel had an integrated cable system that worked fine but it was a bit convoluted. Brake hoses and any wires/cables were routed above the stem and into the frame behind the steerer tube. A cover hid them out of sight and away from the wind.

Giant has binned that idea and introduced a new two-piece Contact SLR Aero handlebar and stem setup. Our review bike is equipped with a SRAM Rival eTap AXS groupset so there are no wires to worry about, but the brake hoses run inside the handlebar and pop out in the centre. You can't see them, though – not unless you go hunting – because they're then routed on the underside of the stem.

2023 Giant Propel Advanced Pro 1 - stem 2.jpg

Think of the stem profile as similar to that of a letter n. Structurally, that must be a challenge but the fact that there's no bottom section means it's easy to run the hoses in the gap. They then go down into the head tube, the necessary space provided by a D-section fork steerer (we really are getting through the letters today, aren't we? It's like Sesame Street around here).

2023 Giant Propel Advanced Pro 1 - stem 4.jpg

As already mentioned, two-part interlocking spacers allow you to adjust the front-end height easily. Obviously, you'll need to redo the brake hoses if you want to swap the handlebar, but you can change to a different length stem without any complications. Giant offers the Contact SL Aero Stem in 80mm to 140mm versions, although only in the same -10° drop.

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The D-shaped fork steerer means you're wedded to Giant for all your future stem needs. Giant does offer 32 versions of stems that'll fit, the Contact SL in aluminium and Contact SLR in composite.

A side benefit of the D-shaped steerer is that you can never put the stem on skew-whiff; it only fits in one direction. If you ever wanted to move away from Giant's Contact SL Aero handlebar, that's perfectly possible, the stem taking a standard 31.8mm bar.

Components

The Propel Advanced Pro 1 comes with Giant's Vector composite seatpost that offers a -5°/+15° offset so there's loads of adjustment there. Giant's Fleet SL shorty saddle is really good too. Forgiving but not squishy, it has enough foam to take the edge off rough roads along with Giant's Particle Flow tech which allows 'free-flowing particles' to move around in there to reduce pressure. The bottom line – ahem! – is that it's really comfy.

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The Propel Advanced Pro is available in three flavours, all 12-speed and with hydraulic disc brakes. The Propel Advanced Pro 0 AXS (£6,399) gets SRAM's Force eTap AXS groupset, the Propel Advanced Pro 0 Di2 (£5,999) is a Shimano Ultegra Di2 build, and the Propel Advanced Pro 1 that I've been riding is equipped with SRAM Rival eTap.

SRAM Rival eTap AXS isn't especially light but it's solid, reliable stuff. The chainset is a 48/35-tooth matched up to a 10-30 cassette so you get some pretty big gears, although you might prefer a couple of smaller ones for the steep hills at the end of a long day in the saddle.

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Rather than going for a SRAM/Quarq power meter, Giant specs its own spider-based Power Halo which offers left/right balance and a claimed accuracy of +/-1.5%. I won't go into a full critique of the power meter here – that would be a whole review in itself.

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Giant's SLR 1 50 Carbon Disc wheels are very good, feeling lively for something of their 50mm depth without being especially affected by crosswinds. The hookless carbon rims have a 22.4mm inner width and a 30mm outer width and Giant says they'll accommodate tyres up to 32mm wide, although that's academic here because the frame/fork won't take anything wider than a measured 30mm.

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For me, that's not a huge restriction. The Giant Gavia Course 1 tyres fitted are actually 700C x 25mm but you'd never know that by looking at them, or even by measuring them. The road.cc vernier callipers say they're over 28mm wide when inflated to 6 bar (Giant gives them a range of 5.8-8.6 bar) on these rims.

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Some recently launched aero road bikes can take wider tyres – the latest Cervelo S5 can take tyres up to 34mm, for example – but I'm not sure that too many people want anything wider than 30mm on an aero road bike right now, although who knows where we'll be two or three years down the line.

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Speaking of tyres, Giant Gavia Course 1s offer excellent grip and decent puncture resistance although they're a little heavy and aren't the most supple. Although Giant describes them as 'Premium Road Race tyres', that's a push. They don't have the same speed-focused abilities as the rest of the bike, although they're fine to be going on with.

Like other Propels, this one comes with one bottle cage designed especially for the down tube and another that's seat tube specific. Although they look similar, the width of the base of each cage matches the relevant tube.

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One other little feature that's worth a quick mention is the out-front computer mount that's fixed in place by the bolts for the stem's front plate. It's a neat design, and swappable inserts allow it to accept Garmin, Wahoo, and Giant's own computers.

2023 Giant Propel Advanced Pro 1 - computer moutn.jpg

The money bit

If you're struggling to rationalise a bike with a third-tier groupset costing £5,499, join the club. The trouble is, that's the reality of how the bike market has changed recently.

Specialized's Tarmac SL Comp with SRAM Rival eTap AXS is £5,500, and Trek's Madone SLR 6 AXS Gen 7 with SRAM Rival is – wait for it – £8,250. Cannondale's SystemSix isn't available with SRAM Rival, although the Shimano Ultegra 11-speed model (with mechanical shifting) is £5,250. It's only direct-to-consumer Canyon that offers an aero road bike equipped with a SRAM Rival eTap AXS groupset for a significantly lower price, the Aeroad CF SLX 7 Disc eTap coming in at £4,799. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but prices aren't what they were even a couple of years ago.

Conclusion

Overall, the Giant Propel Advanced Pro 1 is an excellent proposition. It's fast and efficient with quick handling and a surprisingly high level of comfort, especially for an aero road bike. Compared with models from other big brands, it's also decent value for money.

Verdict

Excellent aero road bike that provides efficiency, comfort, and good value in the current market

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road.cc test report

Make and model: Giant Propel Advanced Pro 1

Size tested: M/L, 565mm

About the bike

List the components used to build up the bike.

Frame Advanced-Grade Composite, disc

Fork Advanced SL-Grade Composite, full-composite OverDrive Aero steerer, disc

Handlebar Giant Contact SL Aero S:40cm, M:42cm, M/L:42cm, L:44cm, XL:44cm

Tape Stratus Lite 2.0

Stem Giant Contact SL Aero, OverDrive Aero S:90mm, M:100mm, M/L:110mm, L:110mm, XL:120mm

Seatpost Giant Vector, composite, -5/+15mm offset

Saddle Giant Fleet SL

Shifters SRAM Rival eTap AXS 2x12

Front Derailleur SRAM Rival eTap AXS

Rear Derailleur SRAM Rival eTap AXS

Brakes SRAM Rival eTap AXS hydraulic, SRAM PaceLine rotors [F]160mm, [R]140mm

Brake Levers SRAM Rival eTap AXS hydraulic

Cassette SRAM Rival, 12-speed, 10x30

Chain SRAM Rival D1

Chainset SRAM Rival D1 DUB, 35/48 with Giant Power Halo power meter S:170mm, M:172.5mm, M/L:172.5mm, L:175mm, XL:175mm

Bottom Bracket SRAM DUB, press fit

Rims Giant SLR 1 50 Carbon Disc WheelSystem, [F]50mm, [R]50mm, 22.4mm inner width

Hubs[F] Giant Low Friction Hub, CenterLock, [R] Giant Low Friction Hub, ratchet driver 30t, CenterLock, 12mm thru-axle

Spokes SAPIM CX-Ray

Tyres Giant Gavia Course 1, tubeless, 700x25c (28mm effective width), folding

Extras Out front computer mount for Garmin, Wahoo and Giant head units , water bottle cages, factory tubeless set up, 30mm max tyre size

Tell us what the bike is for and who it's aimed at. What do the manufacturers say about it? How does that compare to your own feelings about the bike?

This is a race bike, or at least a riding-fast bike.

Giant says, "Now even faster, this aero rocket-ship is built for speed when it matters most. the re-engineered frameset is even more adept at slicing through wind, and it's also lighter than the previous generation. The result? Race-winning efficiency that's hard to beat."

You get the picture.

Giant lists these key features:

Integrated aerodynamics

AeroSystem Shaping, a result of CFD analysis and dynamic wind-tunnel testing, optimises aerodynamic performance at every yaw angle. The truncated ellipse airfoil tube shapes and Contact SLR/SL Aero cockpit produce the best overall aero performance.

Easier adjustability

All-new cable routing through the handlebar and frame makes it quicker and easier to adjust or change cockpit components and fine-tune performance and riding position.

Race-winning efficiency

Advanced-grade composite frameset features high-performance materials and proprietary manufacturing processes. As a result, it's now lighter than the previous generation for an improved stiffness-to-weight ratio.

Where does this model sit in the range? Tell us briefly about the cheaper options and the more expensive options

Giant offers the Propel in three platforms: the Propel Advanced SL, the Propel Advanced Pro (which we have here), and the Propel Advanced.

The Propel Advanced SL is made from a higher-spec frame material and precision manufacturing techniques to keep the weight exceptionally low.

The Giant Propel Advanced Pro uses the same truncated ellipse airfoil tube profiles as the Giant Propel Advanced SL and it's built to the same geometry but it has a standard rather than an integrated seatpost. It's not as light as the Propel Advanced SL.

The Giant Propel Advanced (with no suffix) has a frame that's the same as that of the Propel Advanced Pro but the fork comes with an alloy steerer rather than being full-carbon. It's also built up with lower-priced components.

The Giant Propel Advanced Pro is available in three different builds:

Giant Propel Advanced Pro 0 AXS (£6,399) - SRAM Force eTap groupset

Giant Propel Advanced Pro 0 AXS (£5,999) - Shimano Ultegra Di2 groupset

Giant Propel Advanced Pro 1 (£5,499) - SRAM Rival eTap AXS groupset

All three have the same Giant SLR 1 50 Carbon Disc wheels.

Frame and fork

Overall rating for frame and fork
 
9/10

Tell us about the build quality and finish of the frame and fork?

It's excellent throughout.

Tell us about the materials used in the frame and fork?

The frame is made from what Giant calls its Advanced-Grade Composite while the fork is made from its top level Advanced SL-Grade Composite.

Tell us about the geometry of the frame and fork?

The ML-sized Giant Propel Advanced Pro 1 comes with a not-far-off horizontal 565mm top tube, a 545mm seat tube and a 165mm head tube. The head angle and seat angle on this size are both 73°.

You get a stack height of 562mm and a reach of 393mm, giving a stack/reach of 1.43. The riding position is aggressive, as you'd expect on an aero bike, but not crazily so.

The spacers come in two interlocking parts so it's easy to remove them – or add them back in – without the need to re-plumb the brake hoses.

The Propel's geometry is almost the same as that of Giant's TCR road bike that focuses on lightweight and stiffness. Granted, the TCR has a shorter seat tube but that's because the top tube slopes downwards and foreshortens it. The stack, reach and frame angles are exactly the same, as are chainstay length (405mm) and wheelbase (991mm). If you happen to have ridden a TCR and the fit is right, you know what you're getting here.

How was the bike in terms of height and reach? How did it compare to other bikes of the same stated size?

They're about what you'd expect of an aero road bike of this size.

Riding the bike

Was the bike comfortable to ride? Tell us how you felt about the ride quality.

It's much more comfortable than you might expect. The 25mm tyres measure over 28mm and they're set up tubeless so you can run low pressures without risk of pinch flats. I found the Giant Fleet SL shorty saddle really comfortable and the deep-section Contact SL Aero handlebar spreads the pressure too.

Did the bike feel stiff in the right places? Did any part of the bike feel too stiff or too flexible?

It feels really stiff both through the centre and at the head tube/fork.

Was there any toe-clip overlap with the front wheel? If so was it a problem?

Just a touch. I didn't even notice until I just checked.

How would you describe the steering? Was it lively neutral or unresponsive? On the lively side of neutral.

Tell us some more about the handling. How did the bike feel overall? Did it do particular things well or badly?

It's sharp and reactive. It handles just like Giant's TCR, and that's A Good Thing.

Which components had the most effect (good or bad) on the bike's comfort? would you recommend any changes?

The 25mm Giant Gavia Course 1 tyres measured 28mm on the Giant SLR 1 50 Carbon Disc wheels. They're not the fastest tyres in the world but you can't argue with the comfort on offer here.

Saddle preference is a personal thing but I really like the Giant Fleet SL. It offers enough flex and cushioning to keep you comfortable without squishing about when you put the power down.

Rate the bike for efficiency of power transfer:
 
9/10
Rate the bike for acceleration:
 
8/10
Rate the bike for sprinting:
 
8/10
Rate the bike for high speed stability:
 
8/10
Rate the bike for cruising speed stability:
 
8/10
Rate the bike for low speed stability:
 
8/10
Rate the bike for flat cornering:
 
9/10
Rate the bike for cornering on descents:
 
9/10
Rate the bike for climbing:
 
7/10

The drivetrain

Rate the drivetrain for performance:
 
8/10
Rate the drivetrain for durability:
 
8/10
Rate the drivetrain for weight:
 
7/10
Rate the drivetrain for value:
 
8/10

Wheels and tyres

Rate the wheels for performance:
 
8/10
Rate the wheels for durability:
 
8/10
Rate the wheels for weight:
 
8/10
Rate the wheels for comfort:
 
8/10
Rate the wheels for value:
 
8/10
Rate the tyres for performance:
 
7/10
Rate the tyres for durability:
 
9/10
Rate the tyres for weight:
 
5/10
Rate the tyres for comfort:
 
7/10
Rate the tyres for value:
 
7/10

Controls

Rate the controls for performance:
 
9/10
Rate the controls for durability:
 
9/10
Rate the controls for weight:
 
7/10
Rate the controls for comfort:
 
9/10
Rate the controls for value:
 
7/10

Your summary

Did you enjoy riding the bike? Yes

Would you consider buying the bike? I would.

Would you recommend the bike to a friend? Yes

How does the price compare to that of similar bikes in the market, including ones recently tested on road.cc?

If you're struggling to rationalise a bike with a third-tier groupset costing £5,499, we can sympathise. The trouble is, that's the reality of how the bike market has changed recently.

Specialized's Tarmac SL Comp with SRAM Rival eTap AXS is £5,500, and Trek's Madone SLR 6 AXS Gen 7 with SRAM Rival is – wait for it – £8,250. Cannondale's SystemSix isn't available with SRAM Rival, although the Shimano Ultegra 11-speed model (with mechanical shifting) is £5,250. It's only direct-to-consumer Canyon that offers an aero road bike equipped with a SRAM Rival eTap AXS groupset for a significantly lower price, the Aeroad CF SLX 7 Disc eTap coming in at £4,799.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but prices aren't what they were even a couple of years ago.

Rate the bike overall for performance:
 
9/10
Rate the bike overall for value:
 
8/10

Use this box to explain your overall score

I'd like to give this bike a 9 overall because it really is among the best aero road bikes at this price. The average would be 8 if you totted up the individual scores and worked out the average. However, we don't do it like that here at road.cc because the excellent frame and fork are way, way more important than the fairly ordinary tyres.

Overall rating: 9/10

About the tester

Age: 48  Height: 190cm  Weight: 80kg

I usually ride:   My best bike is:

I've been riding for: Over 20 years  I ride: Most days  I would class myself as: Expert

I regularly do the following types of riding: commuting, club rides, sportives, general fitness riding,

Mat has been in cycling media since 1996, on titles including BikeRadar, Total Bike, Total Mountain Bike, What Mountain Bike and Mountain Biking UK, and he has been editor of 220 Triathlon and Cycling Plus. Mat has been road.cc technical editor for over a decade, testing bikes, fettling the latest kit, and trying out the most up-to-the-minute clothing. We send him off around the world to get all the news from launches and shows too. He has won his category in Ironman UK 70.3 and finished on the podium in both marathons he has run. Mat is a Cambridge graduate who did a post-grad in magazine journalism, and he is a winner of the Cycling Media Award for Specialist Online Writer. Now over 50, he's riding road and gravel bikes most days for fun and fitness rather than training for competitions.

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3 comments

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check12 | 7 months ago
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too heavy, too expensive 

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Gd29 | 7 months ago
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Dear Road.cc, please can you include a consideration for travel (flying) in your reviews, even if its just the test report section.
If a frame design means there is insufficient cable/hose slack to take the bar off to fit in a bike box, then riders looking to travel can't use it. Disconnecting hoses and bleeding brakes after a flight isn't practical, nor is a monster bike box where the handlebars stay in situ!

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Cugel replied to Gd29 | 7 months ago
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Gd29 wrote:

Dear Road.cc, please can you include a consideration for travel (flying) in your reviews, even if its just the test report section. If a frame design means there is insufficient cable/hose slack to take the bar off to fit in a bike box, then riders looking to travel can't use it. Disconnecting hoses and bleeding brakes after a flight isn't practical, nor is a monster bike box where the handlebars stay in situ!

Ha!  I'd formed the opinion that these damnable hidden cables and other "integrated" features of so-called "aero" bikes were the work of the devil given the task, by Beezlebub, of making cyclists lives miserable when it comes to the maintenance. However, if these integrated features prevent profligate fuel-burning folk from flying about just for a bike ride somewhere different, I may have to award Beezlebub a small bouquet.

Is your foreign jaunt via the gas-guzzling flier worth the price? Not the fare but the bringing forward of that time when we will all die, more or les painfully, of weather.

Did you know that you can cycle from your door and, within a short time, be in one or another of the wonderous places scattered about Blighty?  I've been doing it for decades. 

Mind, I did fly to Mallorca for "training camps" in the late 80s and early 90s. I am the fuel-guzzling sinner .... but now repentant ....  although not forgiven, of course.

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