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Cycling with earphones, yay or nay edition: Jeremy Vine panned for falling off bike and hitting pothole while wearing earbuds; Thibaut Pint-ot in the PSG Ultras; New Cervélo for Jumbo-Visma; Pogačar on for Track TT Olympics? + more on the live blog

It's the Thursday live blog, your one-stop shop for all the news, reaction and more from the cycling world... it’s Adwitiya taking the reins of the sleigh today...
14 December 2023, 09:12
Jeremy Vine hits a pothole and then falls off his bike in heavy rain, gets shamed for riding with earphones

As the saying goes, one man's poison is another man's meat. Our favourite live blog entrant's recent video shows him cycling to work early morning with the heaven relentlessly pouring from above. And with rain comes every cyclist's (one of the) worst nightmares, being taken for a fool by a pothole disguising itself as an ordinary puddle.

Something very similar happened to the Channel 5 presenter, presumably going to the office for another edition of his daily morning show through the Oxford Street at six-thirty in the morning. But as he decided to move over to the pavement to have a quick check of his bike, the water had collected on the side (ironically the beginning of a submerged bike lane) and Vine couldn't see the red line marking the raised kerb, making him go off his bike.

"Ouch, that hurt a little," he said on the dubbed video. "And I had to fish my bike out of this stream."

He checked his camera and his light, but what he failed to notice that the one of his Bose earphones (worth £100 or so) had pinged out of the ear. The video shows him set off back on his route, now a little late for his work, realise the earphone was missing, take a U-turn, cycle all the way back (not falling this time), and find the stray earphone still lying, intact on the London pavement.

Unfortunately, Mr Vine's miseries didn't seem to end here. Cue people on social media barracking at him for cycling with earphones.

Dave replied: "Wait you wear earphones whilst cycling? This means that you will have reduced awareness of your surroundings due to your hearing being impaired. Also you don’t appear to of [sic] fitted a light to the front of your bike which shows other road users your direction of travel. Safety first."

Vine hit back with the classic grammar check, correcting Dave's misuse of "of" in place of "have".

More people got on his back for the activity, some lambasting him, some genuinely puzzled by the choice. Brian Anley said: "I can't even run with ear pods in because I feel so conscious if not knowing what is going on around me without my sense of hearing."

Now I have a feeling this might a divisive one. While Vine seemed to be unbothered by the trolls mocking for cycling with earphones, for many, riding with subdued senses is a real concern, and not something they'd be comfortable with doing themselves or even share the road with people doing likewise.

So what's your take on all this? Cycling with earphones, yay or nay? Let us know in the comments...

14 December 2023, 17:17
JV returns to the site of his fall, only to find a pothole so big it "made Santa look small"... and gets shamed for using earphones again

I don't know how does Vine keep doing it again and again. Maybe it's our collective attentions feeding him energy and he's building the next spirit bomb, soon to be detonated to take over the entirety of the cycling world on the internet.

But yeah, he's back. Back on the site of his fall, only to find a pothole so big that it made "Santa look small", complete with his quirky, outlandish animations (to be frank, it is quite a massive pothole). And of course, the story of admonishing him for using earphones while riding hasn't ended.

As soon as his post was up, there was a reply: "Maybe this time don't wear your earphone so that you're aware of what's going on around you."

And there was Ross who made the situation about Edinburgh versus London.

14 December 2023, 17:08
Council “escalates war on cycling menaces” with new town centre ban, saying: “We will not stop until we eradicate this behaviour”
Cycling ban poster in Brigg and Scunthorpe (North Lincolnshire Council)

A local council says it has “escalated” and “intensified” its “war on cycling menaces” by implementing a complete ban on riding a bike in pedestrianised zones, as part of a wider crackdown on anti-social behaviour.

North Lincolnshire Council announced this week(link is external) that a new Public Spaces Protection Order (PSPO) is now in place in Scunthorpe and Brigg, following a public consultation earlier this year, introducing stronger powers and increasing fines for what the local authority describes as the “scourge” of “irresponsible behaviour”.

> Council “escalates war on cycling menaces” with new town centre ban, saying: “We will not stop until we eradicate this behaviour”

14 December 2023, 16:07
"Oh but what about emergency services?": Claims against cycling infrastructure hindering fire trucks refuted by Cycleway 9

Greater London Authority's Assembly Member from the Conservative Party Nick Rogers asked Mayor Sadiq Khan about the emergency response times on Chiswick High Road before and after Cycleway 9.

> "Build it and they'll come": Double the number of cyclists than cars on Cycleway C9 than cars as cyclists celebrate one week of it being made permanent by blowing candles

And we'd like to say a big thank you to Mr Rogers, for this has resulted in making data public that shows that the presence of good, usable cycling infrastructure more often than not leads to a reduction of car usage, freeing up space for emergency services.

If you look past the times of 2020 and 2021, both riddled with Covid and lockdowns for the most part, the average response time for the first pump was almost similar to both 2018 and 2019. However, for the second pump, the response time fell well below those of 2018 and 2019, and matched the lowest ever average time in the past five years, recorded in 2020.

14 December 2023, 15:17
Now that's more of what we like to see!
14 December 2023, 13:54
These are the best reflective cycling vests we've brought to light in hundreds of hours of night-time riding, along with our picks of other reflective cycling gear.
14 December 2023, 13:31
Philippe Gilbert and Loïc Vliegen found guilty of assaulting motorist following “dangerous overtake”
Philippe Gilbert celebrates winning Stage 18 of 2015 Giro d'Italia (picture ANSA, Dal Zennaro)

Former world champion Philippe Gilbert and Intermarché-Circus-Wanty pro Loïc Vliegen have been convicted of the assault and battery of a motorist who dangerously close passed them during a 2016 training ride.

The now-retired Gilbert was also found guilty of carrying and using pepper spray, which is banned in Belgium, during the ensuing roadside altercation – during which he fractured his finger – while the driver received his own conviction for the “intentional obstruction of traffic”.

Read more: > Philippe Gilbert and Loïc Vliegen found guilty of assaulting motorist following “dangerous overtake”

14 December 2023, 12:52
Lakeview Drive, Bicester (Bicester Bike Users' Group)
"The developer has had three stabs at this junction without stakeholder involvement and it is still riddled with errors": Active travel group bemoans failed plans for a road crossing

A torrid affair has been afoot in the village of Bicester, with cyclists and pedestrians both disavowing a developer's latest plans for road crossings which form part of a 60,000 square metre business park site.

Active travel groups have labelled the third proposal by Peveril Securities Ltd for a pedestrian crossing in Lakeview Drive, Bicester “complex” and said it appears to have been put forward with "vehicles in mind".

Catherine Hickman, chair of Bicester Bike Users' Group, said: "The developer has had three stabs at this junction without stakeholder involvement and it is still riddled with errors. The pedestrian crossings are still pitifully indirect which will tempt users to dash across where there is no crossing.

"The islands and offset crossings are far too small to accommodate prams, mobility scooters, or wheelchairs. The cycle crossing lines up with the pedestrian only path which will encourage unnecessary conflict. Pedestrian and cycle paths are not segregated or buffered from the traffic, contrary to the county's own policies."

Lakeview Drive, Bicester 2 (Bicester Bike Users' Group)

Robin Tucker of Oxfordshire Cycling Network echoed similar thoughts, reports Oxford Mail, adding that the cyclists and pedestrians seem to have been an afterthought, perpetuating similar drawbacks on planning we have seen repeat over and over again due to the ingrained motonormativity.

He said: "The proposed design is complex for people walking or cycling and seems to have been designed for vehicles first, with people fitted around the edges. We’d like to see a design that makes it easier and more intuitive for people to get where they want to go.”

Danny Yee, of Oxfordshire Liveable Streets, said: "National guidance is clear: a cycle track should have a one metre buffer from 40mph traffic, and must have at least a 0.5m buffer.

"If a design this bad is going to be put in, the speed limit on the A41 needs to be dropped to 30mph through this junction. A lower speed limit will also reduce the danger to those frustrated pedestrians who will make unplanned and unsignalled crossings to avoid slow and convoluted multi-stage crossings."

14 December 2023, 12:45
👀 Pogacar to take part in Track Olympics?

14 December 2023, 12:08
It's new bike day! Check out this new Cervélo

With Jumbo out the door, and Lease a Bike in, I wasn't sure if Cervelo would still stick with the yellow bee theme for the all-conquering Dutch team's latest bikes. But it turns out they haven't only stuck, but doubled-down with this gorgeous, intricate golden honeycomb accents on the latest Cervélo bikes, shared via the courtesy (aka Instagram) of Robert Gesnik.

New Cervelo 2024 (Instagram: @robertgesnik)
14 December 2023, 11:09
Dooring – What is it, what does the law say and what should you do if it happens to you while cycling?
Ford Exit Warning (via YouTube)

With Ford's latest announcement of an alert system for motorists to prevent from dooring cyclists (how considerate), here's a deep-dive on the wretched menace, covering everything you need to know about a danger to cyclists that is sadly too common.

> Dooring – What is it, what does the law say and what should you do if it happens to you while cycling?

14 December 2023, 10:55
Are you sure those Ineos Pinarello Dogmas don't look a lot like 2020 Bahrain's McLaren Meridas?

While I could see a lot of people not being too keen on Ineos Grenadier's new kits (I for one didn't mind them too much), I haven't seen many scorn at the team's new colourway for its bikes.

So as your live blog host, it naturally falls on me to make a case against and at least try and convince you to scorn at them.

Ineos Grenadiers Gobik kit 2024

To begin with, I'll be honest I'm not a fan of the gradient thing going on. Looks almost like one of those mid-2000s Microsoft WordArt gradient fills.

And is no one else instantly reminded of Bahrain McLaren's Merida Scultura from 2020?

> Check out Team Bahrain McLaren's 2020 Merida Scultura Disc

 

merida reacto team bahrain mclaren edition 2020.PNG

Gosh, I miss the early Ineos burgundy and aubergine colours!

14 December 2023, 10:16
Thibaut Pint-ot living his best life among the PSG ultras with a beer in each hand

I always knew that Thibaut Pinot had impeccable balance, but I never thought it was "screaming your lungs out in the stadium with two beers in hand" good...

In yesterday evening's final Champions League group game against Dortmund at the Parc des Princes stadium, Thibaut, the unanimous choice for the favourite rider at road.cc towers, was enjoying with two pints of beers in his hands with the Paris Ultras.

Maybe not enjoying as much, given that PSG just ended up scraping past Milan on goal difference. Ah Pinot, why did you have to go supporting PSG though...

Maybe we need to come up with a list of cyclists who could be on your Sunday league, or maybe even semi-pro football XI?

> Footballers who cycle XI — the Premier League stars who love life on two wheels

Adwitiya joined road.cc in 2023 as a news writer after graduating with a masters in journalism from Cardiff University. His dissertation focused on active travel, which soon threw him into the deep end of covering everything related to the two-wheeled tool, and now cycling is as big a part of his life as guitars and football. He has previously covered local and national politics for Voice Wales, and also likes to writes about science, tech and the environment, if he can find the time. Living right next to the Taff trail in the Welsh capital, you can find him trying to tackle the brutal climbs in the valleys.

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Stephankernow | 1 month ago
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I can only speak for myself , Mr Vine does cycling no favours riding with earphones is in my opinion dangerous. I dont myself purely on the grounds of distraction and affecting my safety.and road awareness.

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Oldfatgit | 1 month ago
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Being lit like a Christmas tree, dressed in highly reflective Proviz, sitting on the centre lane, indicating a right turn while doing 18mph on a narrow domestic street - outside my fecking house - didn't stop the Audi from overtaking me.
Just in front of the wankmobile, you can see the last white line that denotes the junction.
Unfortunately, the rear camera was covered in crap and is not viewable

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Bikebikebike | 1 month ago
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I do wonder what I'm meant to do with the additional info my ears would give me. Even if I can somehow tell that a car is coming straight at me from behind, what do I do? Do a backflip over the car like in Spider-Man 2?

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chrisonabike replied to Bikebikebike | 1 month ago
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Bikebikebike wrote:

I do wonder what I'm meant to do with the additional info my ears would give me. [...]

Take the point but sometimes (and not predictably) extra input is useful.  Thinking about that one where a homicidal guy speed-reversed up a country lane to get to a cyclist who'd complained about his close pass.

So I think it's sensible but it's towards the "but cyclists" end of concerns.  That is - mostly a thing for people who aren't cycling and certainly aren't actually being run over in numbers every day by cyclists.

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Denzz replied to Bikebikebike | 1 month ago
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Sorry but pretty ridiculous comment. It's not just about cars, not having headphones in allows you to hear other cyclists. I've had countless scenarios when overtaking a cyclist and they have started to veer towards me and haven't heard me warning them I'm there because they have headphones in. Same thing with them cutting in front of me in cycle lanes.
There have been many times where I have known there is a cyclist behind me because I can hear there freewheel, info you don't have if you have headphones in. Additionally, with a lot of ear buds having noise cancelling I bet cyclists are less aware of emergency services. I'd love to cycle and listen to music but it just is not as safe.

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Hirsute replied to Denzz | 1 month ago
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Sounds like you need to improve your overtaking as you are having so many issues. People don't just randomly change position.
What do you do then if there is a cyclist behind you ? You wouldn't be changing position without a shoulder check anyway, so how is this improving things ?

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Denzz replied to Hirsute | 1 month ago
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I am an extremely diligent cyclist, I've cycled in London for over a decade with no crashes because I am always looking, listening for cars, bikes, people, everything. The unfortunate reality is LOADS of sh*t cyclists put my life in danger because they do change direction abruptly with no warning. They drift into the middle of the road because they are going to turn down a road they haven't signalled for, they cut from the road into a cycle lane without looking, and loads of these idiots wear headphones which impairs them hearing me saying LOOK OUT / ON YOUR RIGHT / WHICH WAY ARE YOU GOING. Cycling without headphones in these riders could hear me and turn away, reducing the chance of a collision. The 'over the shoulder check ' you mention is exactly what they don't do. You have access to more information without headphones in, that is 100% fact. What's your view on headphones then mate?
Additionally, loads of the headphone wearers are Lime bike idiots who don't know the roads but are happy to block out useful info.

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Hirsute replied to Denzz | 1 month ago
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You didn't answer how hearing a freewheel makes any difference.
If these people are cutting across or not even looking why do you think they haven't heard you or maybe they simply don't care.
You should also avoid overtaking at junctions.

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Denzz replied to Hirsute | 1 month ago
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It wasn't clear you were asking about the freewheel. If these riders that don't signal didn't have headphones in they are more likely to hear a cyclist behind them, their freewheel, or their brakes. You actually didn't give me an answer on your stance on wearing headphones whilst cycling? 'why do you think they haven't heard you' um, because they have headphones in, the main point highlighted in my comments.
Of course I don't regularly overtake at junctions, but you are allowed to if the situation is safe, i.e no one is cutting across the road without signalling.
In initial comment I mentioned that it's more difficult to hear emergency services with headphone in, do you think that's a positive thing?
Have you had any experience cycling regularly in areas with lots of headphone users?

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Rik Mayals unde... | 1 month ago
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Earbud users are a menace, especially on canal towpaths where the users are oblivious to everything around them. bells are no use, even shouting is wasted on some. Even worse are the earbud users who wander all over a shared path whilst staring at their phones.

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Adam Sutton replied to Rik Mayals underpants | 1 month ago
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The best I had was a guy who stopped dead in the path and got his phone out, convinced my bell ringing was a notification. 

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hawkinspeter replied to Adam Sutton | 1 month ago
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Adam Sutton wrote:

The best I had was a guy who stopped dead in the path and got his phone out, convinced my bell ringing was a notification. 

I hope you waited for him to put it back and then rang your bell again

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Capt Sisko | 1 month ago
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Ref cycling with headphones/pods. Maybe we should start a campaign to outlaw all in car entertainment systems, (radios to us old gits), force drivers to drive with their windows down and ban vehicle manufacturers fitting with accustic absorbing glass? 

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Nagai74 replied to Capt Sisko | 1 month ago
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Capt Sisko wrote:

... in car entertainment systems, (radios to us old gits)

Do you mean a 'wireless'?

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ktache | 1 month ago
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I like the sound of birdsong, and the rumble of my tyres.

I was no more dangerous when I used headphones (with cassette payer), 30 years back, or safer now.

I do find hearing the change in engine tone to be informative, but wether that's truly safer?

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Dunnoeither | 1 month ago
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YOU MUST WRITE LOUDER I'VE GOT MY HEADPHONES ON!

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mattw | 1 month ago
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Heh.

I've been having a fun conversation on twitter about cycling round puddles, and the need fror investment in the public realm.

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wycombewheeler | 1 month ago
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I've tried cycling with earphones, but I find the additional wind noise drowns out the music. But when not moving I can still hear more than I can inside my car. What is there to hear anyway?

  • In a busy urban envirnment the road noise is near constant and gives no indication of immenent threat levels.
  • In quiet rural environments the car that close passes or hits (I assume) sounds exactly the same as the car that gives a safe pass.
  • If you change your line without looking you are rolling the dice on beaing hit by an electric vehicle one day
  • If a motor vehicle uses their horn near you it is incredibly loud (in order to be heard through car windows) and you will hear it over earphones.

Maybe next time someone mentions how unsafe this is, I'll invite them to stand next to my car with earphones on and give the horn a blast.

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SimoninSpalding replied to wycombewheeler | 1 month ago
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In terms of rural roads, it depends. If there are cats eyes down the middle it is reassurring to hear two sets of thumps as both sides of the car cross the centre line, one set of thumps - the second set could have missed the cats eyes or it might be a bit close, no thumps - hold as straight a line as possible, if possible squeeze in to the verge a bit more, and hold your breath.

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andystow | 1 month ago
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Obviously if you use earphones while cycling, it can be hard to hear the difference between "a puddle" and "a pothole", as JV unfortunately found out.

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hawkinspeter replied to andystow | 1 month ago
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andystow wrote:

Obviously if you use earphones while cycling, it can be hard to hear the difference between "a puddle" and "a pothole", as JV unfortunately found out.

Lucky it wasn't a "poodle"

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huntswheelers | 1 month ago
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If I am out solo on a long ride I sometimes use  bone conduction headphones to listen to radio/podcasts and sometimes music but not often. I like them as I can still hear my surroundings.... but it's a personal thing I guess. I do have in ear buds too but I never ride with them, they are only used at home.

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roboito replied to huntswheelers | 1 month ago
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I'm a big fan of the bone conduction headphones. I can listen to music or podcast happily and still hear external sounds. I wear a buff over them, it cuts down wind interference and fits easily under my helmet.

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squired | 1 month ago
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As someone who lives in London, if I go for a ride it is going to be a fact that when I'm riding I'm likely to have a car in front of me, one next to me and one behind me.  Whether I hear or not isn't going to make any difference.  The only thing being able to hear allows is for me to hear the occasional insult from a driver.  Mind you, I'm a cyclist that is regularly looking over his shoulder and paying close attention to his surroundings.  If someone isn't going to pay attention due to headphones I'd hazard a guess that they are also likely to be the kind of cyclist that rides with tunnel vision and doesn't use their eyes properly either.

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Denzz replied to squired | 1 month ago
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I think a huge point that loads and loads of people are missing is it's not just cars it's other cyclists that you cannot hear with headphones in. I've had countless scenarios where a cyclist has almost veered into me as I'm going round to over take them because they have not heard me say 'on your right'. Also, many times have known there is a cyclist behind me because I can hear their freewheel, another very helpful piece of info you are not given if you have headphones in. Your latter point, having cycled in London for 10yrs + I find a lot of headphone users are also crap cyclists, not being diligent with looking / not signalling etc.

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RoubaixCube | 1 month ago
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Been wearing headphones while cycling probably since 2017 and music has never distracted me. I wear these wireless headphones made by Mpow (purchased before they got booted off amazon for falsifying reviews...) and they are designed as such that they dont sit deep in your ear canal compared to similar headphones or have ANC on 24/7 so I can still hear everything around me as I ride.

Obviously one has to use some common sense along with it and not run them with the volume all the way up.

Im always shoulder checking so Im doubly careful of whats going on around me.

I dont particularly care what people do. Its not my place to judge but if people are going to do it, at least use some common sense.... if not for your own safety, then the safety of others.

Then there are those people who use those headphones that look like studio headphones which clamp around your head. Ive seena lot of people cycling with those headclamps on.

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Benthic | 1 month ago
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Motorists who scold cyclists for wearing earphones will, of course, drive around with their car stereos off and windows fully wound down. If they aren't hypocrites, that is.

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Oldfatgit | 1 month ago
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I ride an ebike and wear hearing aids.

Thank fuck I'm not on twitter.

(I did manage to lose a £1500 hearing aid on a gravel ride. It came out when I hit the deck at speed.
Didn't notice until almost at coffee stop; we had the coffee, went back to find it.
Not easy seeing something that's less than 50mm long and skin tone against a gravel track ... but we found it ... and it still works 😁)

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Adam Sutton replied to Oldfatgit | 1 month ago
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Oldfatgit wrote:

Thank fuck I'm not on twitter.

The most accurate statement on here!

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HoldingOn | 1 month ago
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If people are going to complain about cyclists wearing earphones, I'd like to point them to pedestrians wearing earphones. They are completely unable to hear my bell.

In those scenarios I slow down and wait until there is plenty of space to pass them*.

I don't squeeze past them just because they can't hear me, because that would be unsafe.

*On one of the few sections of shared use path that I make use of

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